What Kate Said....

Kate World Vol 4: More SDA "Blogging Ethics" Explained by Kate

2005-12-29T22:33:00.000-08:00

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"nuff said.

Really.

Kate World Vol 3 Marc Emery Cont... Why Does Kate Persist in Telling Lies About Marc Emery Even After She Has Been Corrected Over and Over And Over

2005-12-29T22:29:00.000-08:00

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Guess it has to do with all that great advice she gives to Newbies about how to become a "Star Blogger!"

KateWorld Vol 2 The Marc Emery Collection Part 1

2005-12-29T22:26:00.000-08:00

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Waitaminnit -- Since Marc didn't get behind the wheel of a car while under the influence of drugs and Kate admits that she did.... uh, isn't she the far more guilty and reckless and irresponsible human being?

KateWorld Vol 1 Of Locking Up Indian Activists & Bringing Back Residential Schools For Indian Children

2005-12-29T22:23:00.000-08:00

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Ain't She A Corker!

Quick... Go Look At The SideBar

2005-10-09T23:11:00.000-07:00

That's right, over there to the right...

That's what the "SDA Blogging Awards" would be asking, if KKKate and her redneck racist friends were being honest about their little contest.

SDA 2.0 Will of course be bringing new catagories for "Redneck Rubes of the Right" to Vote for in upcoming weeks.

But First we need to solidify the nominations for the various catagories.

1st Catagory to be decided... "Bloggers Who Kiss SDA's Leathery Wrinkled Ass (or pander to her racist and redneck winged monkey audience) For A Mention On Her Vile Blog"

Vote early and often to narrow down the Top 10 Contenders in this Catagory to the Top 5.

Be sure to email The WingNutterer or Robert McLelland if you have any suggestions for some more "Get Real" catagories for KKKaties Blogging Awards

Done with Injuns for Now... Onto the "Darkies"

2005-08-18T16:27:00.000-07:00

My Daddy, The Youth Center

Kathy Shaidle; [Ed.who has never actually been a mother] (*see footnote below)

When I worked for United Way, some group was always coming up with a new "solution" to the problem of Jamaican/Somali violence. Each brilliant new innovative program featured: a) basketball, b) rap music or c) basketball & rap music.
Yep, just what these kids need: more false hopes about making it big in ball, and more immersion in degraded black pop culture!

And this is a cultural problem. US blacks make up 8% of the population, but commit almost half the violent crime [We don't keep race based stats up here]. Black kids from upper class families score lower on standardized tests than white lower class kids. Being a "baby momma" is now a badge of honour, (and I still love Fantasia, ok?) not something to be ashamed of and discouraged.

Blaming this stuff on "slavery" is like a Canadian kid of Irish descent saying he dropped out of school because of the Orange Lodge and the Potato Famine.

Earlier this year, a 26-year-old black mother of four was shot at a club at 3 in the morning. What is a 26-year-old doing with four kids, and why is at a speakeasy when decent people are home in bed?

She quotes Kateland on the "elephants in the room";

Let me tell you a fact of life living in black community in the downtown east side of the inner city. There are a multitude of programs for youth to keep them off the streets. There are probably more community centers and not-for-profit programs run in this area than in any other part of the city. They are all easily accessible to all youths – even for those whose families are on welfare or have very limited financial means. Guess what? The children, on a whole, don’t show up. To participate and take advantage of any of these programs requires a certain amount of discipline to show up every Monday or Wednesday or Friday or Sunday and that is what these children lack because their families are so fractured and their parents have failed in their first duties to their children."

But be warned - whether discussing cultural and parental failure at the root of black gang warfare in Toronto or aboriginal gang violence in Western Canada, lancing the purulent pachyderm will rouse the wrath of the parasite class that fattens both ego and wallet in a victimization industry fueled by blaming everyone but. -- Kate McMillan, [Ed. who has never actually been a mother either]

TART CIDER's CHRIS SELLEY RESPONDED:

About the 26-year-old on whom Kathy so effortlessly passes judgement:

"Livvette Moore, whose husband died from cancer last year, had been struggling to raise her children and balance the demands of a new job. So friends encouraged the 26-year-old to join them at a birthday party Saturday night at Prestige Palace, a restaurant on Milvan Dr. in North York. ...

"Reid [Moore's father], 53, said Livvette didn't drink and had joined friends at the party to try to find some pleasure as she worked to get over her husband Sean's death."

Kathy Shaidle (who, as mentioned above, has never actually been a parent, herself) responds:

Aw that's so touching, Chris, but I still don't happen to think the now single mother of a bunch of kids should be out galavanting at all hours, at a place that obviously attracts a lower class of person. I don't care what colour she is. I found the habit dispicable among my white trash neighbours during my own childhood.

Once you have kids, your life changes. You do not go out til god knows when, ESPECIALLY if there is only one parent left. It doesn't matter if your husband died of cancer. Life is unfair. You do not risk your life and your children's future without thinking, Am I hanging around in an undesirable place? Is there somewhere more appropriate for me to be?

If that means you don't get to "have fun anymore", well maybe you should have thought of that earlier.

Every Torontonian knows that these "clubs" are hangouts for drug dealers and users and the site of all kinds of nefarious activity. She wasn't at a church social or an afternoon picnic in the park. Can they not celebrate a birthday party at some kind of legitimate venue??

The Toronto Star's version of things no doubt follows the old NYT "Neediest Cases" template. I would take that story with a grain of salt.

This woman is the unfortunate, needless victim of yet another aspect of Toronto culture: hanging out at half-legal places at all hours while your kids are at home (or wherever), spending money on bling instead of, oh I dunno, RSPs or something.

And then refusing to cooperate with the cops when the shit hits the fan. Way to go guys. Find the one who shot the 3 year old last week? Oh I forgot, it is all Mike Harris's fault or something.

If more people were as "judgemental" as I am, the whole notion of "social stigma" and "reputation" would come back, and we'd all be better off.

AND THEN SEAN (who is actually a parent) of POLSPY RESPONDS TO KATHY

"What is a 26-year-old doing with four kids..."

Perhaps she's a good Catholic? (Multiply and be fruitful, and all that.)

Okay, snide remarks aside, may I politely inquire WTF is wrong with a 26 year old woman having four kids? It's none of my business how many kids other parents choose to have, given that:

a) They didn't start making babies until they passed the age of majority

b) They are capable of raising them without having to stick me with the bill for it (people who have kids just to increase their welfare benefits SUCK)

c) That they raise the kids to be decent people, not little ill-behaved little fiends that are a drain on society

Jeez, Kathy. I could see you being upset over a 16 year old having 4 kids, but let's be reasonable here.
Posted by Sean at August 18, 2005 05:06 PM

And Chris Selley Whips it up at the end with:

"Aw that's so touching, Chris, but I still don't happen to think the now single mother of a bunch of kids should be out galavanting at all hours, at a place that obviously attracts a lower class of person."

Fair enough. The only reasons I brought it up were (a) that I thought you were unfairly blaming the victim, in rather spectacular fashion, and (b) because I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell Livvette Moore's poor decision — if that's what it was — has to do with solving gun violence, which was the subject of your post.

Oh, and about this "four kids at 26" thing — what Sean said.
Posted by Chris Selley at August 18, 2005 05:49 PM

Kate feebly remarks

I didn't read it so much as "blaming the victim" as it did in underlining the ugly truth that a great number of the parents of these kids are AWOL much of the time. That she happened to be killed in crossfire is unfortunate for her and a tragedy for her children, but as was pointed out, not entirely unpredictable.

I grew up in a family where there were 4 of us before our parents were 30. Birthdays were celebrated in family homes, not after hours bars with a history of gunplay.

(Gee Kate, did those Birthday Parties in your parent's Home involve the use of illicit drugs, which you admitted earlier on your blog? What were your parents doing when you were getting stoned out of your head, and driving your car, thereby recklessly endangering the lives of innocent people, you sub-human piece of trash.)

Update!
Wait folks! It's not over. The irrational frenzy of people who have never been parents, blaming a homebody single mother, whose husband *died* a year ago, and had the temerity to go out one evening, at the urging of her friends to take a break from the pressures of raising 4 children alone, and working full-time to support her family continues....

Kathy Shaidle (again.. somebody who has never actually *had* children, See Footnote below) writes:

Well, Chris, I guess I have the incredible ability to make more than one point in one post!! You have this bad habit of getting all worked up when I demonstrate this amazing talent of mine. Do expand your mind a tad.

And there is nothing wrong with blaming the victim when victims are to blame. Although in this case I wouldn't say blame so much as echo Kate's comments in a cruder way: Lie down with dogs.

Sean: Her first born is 10, so do the math. When you have a kid when you are 16, then another 3 years later and so forth, you don't exactly have time to get that PhD in astrophysics. You are probably a high school dropout, and part of a culture in which being a high school dropout is cool, and having a baby at 16 is cool squared. And guess who pays for all that? [Ed. The article did talk about the single mother working to support her own family, but Kathy seems to forget this]

Note too that the victim's father is only 53 or so. Again: I don't sense grad school, and the financial benefits that go with it, being in these folk's background.

My point, which I should have been clearer about, has much more to do with babies having babies (the reason I noted her age and number of kids in the same sentence). As both my sisters discovered, it is close to impossible to "bounce back" in life when you have a baby at 16. One did (it took her decades), the other didn't.

According to widely touted statistics, to avoid poverty one should a) not get married before aged 21, b) not have children out of wedlock and c) finish high school.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing those three things are major priorities in this situation. One needed spend time poring over Clinton Admin stats to know this, one need only look around at one's friends to pick that up.
Posted by Kathy Shaidle at August 18, 2005 07:45 PM

To which Chris Selley Responds:

"Note too that the victim's father is only 53 or so. Again: I don't sense grad school, and the financial benefits that go with it, being in these folk's background."

So now it's dodgy to have a kid when you're 27? Amazing that we're relying on the Star for our background here, since you seem to know every single thing there is to know about this family.
Posted by Chris Selley at August 18, 2005 10:13 PM

Footnote 1: See a picture here of some earlier comments made by Kathy "Stop the Muslim Menace (tm) Shaidle" about the "gay" Peter McKay, and "The ugly french" in Quebec.

Kate McMillan Slanders Arthritic Amputee Aboriginal Woman

2005-07-15T20:44:00.000-07:00

...Who had just won a Landmark Case proving systematic discrimination against herself and other Aboriginals by a mall in Vancouver British Columbia.

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Kate and her peanut gallery thought this was quite funny indeed.
For a better read on it - visit the following... Dr.Dawg had an interesting commentary here...

Absolute Zero: Small Dead Animals. Blogger Kate McMillan, of "Canada needs institutions to lock up the Indian Activists and Apologists" fame, continues her racist campaign against Canada's First Nations. An excerpt from a news story about a recent judgement from the BC Human Rights Tribunal against a mall security firm for discrimination against Aboriginals amuses her:
It was mall policy to deny access to people who had dirty clothing, open sores and wounds, red eyes, and who were acting intoxicated. Lyster ruled that the policy created practices that had an unfair and discriminatory effect on aboriginal people.
"Some stories just tell themselves," she snickers.
In fact, Gladys Radek, who filed the complaint, did not meet any of these criteria. She was a disabled Aboriginal person, on her way to have a coffee at Starbucks with a friend. The two of them were accosted and verbally harassed by a mall cop, and chucked off the premises. After reviewing the sorry history of the mall in question, the numerous instances of racist behaviour against Aboriginals there, the Tribunal found in her favour. The Tribunal spokesperson did not mince words:
I have found the complaint to be justified. I found that Henderson and Securiguard discriminated against Ms. Radek, both on May 10, 2001 and on a number of earlier occasions. I also found that both respondents engaged in systemic discrimination on the basis of race, colour, ancestry and disability, throughout the period of this complaint.

Apparently, comparing national daycare to re-education camps and demanding the return of residential schools for Native kids, and now sneering about "stories that write themselves," aren't sufficient to ruin McMillan's reputation on the Right. She's vigorously defended by Angry today: "Kate's rhetoric can be harsh, but it is a tool for promoting discussion." Wow.

Time to go outside for a breath of fresh air. It's chilly in here.

Yes... In Kate-World, it's funny when elderly arthritic amputee Aboriginal women are accosted and thrown out of malls, because they want to go through a public right of way and buy a cup of expensive coffee!

But does this suprise anybody?

Sub-Human Trash

2005-06-02T10:39:00.000-07:00

I haven't weighed in on Karla Homolka's impending release - enough words have been wasted on this piece of sub-human trash.

However, I do have a question for you all - without diminishing the horrific nature of her crimes and the evidence that she's a true psychopath - just what about Karla Homolka's release merits more concern for the public than any number of other cold-blooded, casual murderers who are released without fanfare on any other given day?

Other than the breathless publicity the case received - the innumerable replays of the wedding video clip. Happy, shiney, blonde evil.

Would we even have heard her name had she been born at White Bear First Nation, and committed her crimes in an alley behind 20th Street in Saskatoon? How many reporters from the Toronto Star and CBC and CTV would be covering that story?

Speaking of criminal intent - Norma Jean Mooswa, who supposedly recieved a 10 year sentence last December for the vehicular murder of 6 people on July 1, 2004 (multiple drunk driving convictions) has been moved to a "healing lodge" in Southwestern Saskatchewan.

Think college campus with nicer scenery.

"The Jap Bastards" Comment from Stephen Fletcher & McMillan's SPIN on it

2005-05-31T14:36:00.000-07:00

Kate clearly is trying to defend the indefensible here. Notice her putting the words Angry Party With Narrow Views, in scare quotes. Also notice that alongside the news item of Stephen Fletcher (who seemingly did understand that an apology was in order for saying "The Japs Were Bastards") Kate McMillan is having none of it. She brings an old text out to try and justify Fletcher's comments.

Funny... if Aboriginals bring up the atrocities commited by Caucasians in Residential Schools to Indian Children, McMillan tells them to "get over it" and quit whining, or indeed, suggests that recreating such disgusting and depraved institutions are JUST what's needed to fix Indians. But events from over 50 years ago... are allowed to justify this kind of racist bigotry in her mind?

Interesting is it not?

Belinda's BlackBerry

2005-05-18T16:59:00.000-07:00

Belinda's Blackberry

I've been offered the opportunity to publish Belinda Stronach's Blackberry.

But that would be unethical, because although she has established herself as a double-crossing hypocrite, willing to sell out her relationships, her constituants, her friends and her party to edge a little closer to the center of power - doing so would indicate that my principles are no better than hers, and as we know, as an unaligned, unelected, private individual voter and taxpayer, I must be held to a higher standard.

As I have been well reminded - "two wrongs don't make a right".

Quite so. However...

Three wrongs break a tie.

So, here's the deal... I'll put it up on Ebay, with all money raised going to tsunami relief.

Or... eh... I'll trade it for Paul Martin's.

Stronach Splits

2005-05-17T17:13:00.000-07:00

Belinda Stronach has crossed the floor to the Liberals, with a new cabinet post her bonus.

Well, we always knew she was a Liberal - they were just hagging over the price.

I wonder if she realizes how many new Western separatists she just created today with her comments about Conservatives not understanding the "complexity" of the country? That the party must "grow in Quebec" before it's a national party? I wonder if she understands that her defection speech will be interpreted as another slap by a self-serving and politically ambitious Ontario power broker at western aspirations to finally have an equal voice in Canada?

Probably not. The woman is that stupid.

In The Interests Of Accuracy

2005-05-17T14:14:00.000-07:00

Can anyone confirm if this is Belinda Stronach's personal cell phone number?

416-XXX-XXXX

(Oh, and if you're outraged that a telephone number for a Liberal minister seems to have been leaked, you may register your complaints here.)

Exciting news! -Blackberry!

Signs! Placards! Tractors!

2005-05-16T17:21:00.000-07:00

Bruce Gottfred has a few photos from today's Take Back The Hill demonstration in Ottawa

Kate's "Humanitarianism" Demonstrated Towards Angolans During The Marburg Crisis

2005-04-09T18:42:00.000-07:00

In Which Eeyore Answers a Question and Asks a Question
About Catherine McMillen's Proposed Genocide Against Africans

Thanks to Warren Kinsella's comment, this has come to my attention from the website of Catherine "Kate" McMillan regarding the recent outbreak of the deadly Marburg Virus in Angola:

The Most Politically Incorrect Question You'll Read All Day

"Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?"

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Eeyore Responds Thusly

The link of "these people" is at:

I'd like to answer Kate's question, but it's really more than one question. There's three parts. One is about being "allowed" to stop feeling sympathy. One is about sealing off "the borders". And One is about just letting "nature take its course."

My answers to this three part question are yes, no and yes, but only if you're a suicidal idiot and also a genocidal villian.

Yes, you can feel or not feel sympathy or any other emotion at your own discretion. After all, who can stop you?

No, you cannot seal off "the borders". Whether you mean Canada's borders, Angola's borders or the "borders" of all of Africa, there is no feasible way to halt the spread of this virus by any of those methods as I shall explain shortly. Relying on partially enforceable quarantines at international borders instead of medical treatments and improvements to sanitation would very likely result in the spread of the Marburg Virus to many other countries including your home town and the death of millions of people including possibly you.

And yes, the human race could just "let nature take its course" and let the Marburg Virus spread. Even with the most strenuous attempts to quarantine a country or a whole continent, this could result in the same sort of consequences, namely a global epidemic and millions of deaths, including possibly you. The briefest examination of the practical difficulties of such a quarantine shows that only an idiot would think it would stop the spread of the Marburg Virus beyond Angola or even stop its entry into North America and other continents.

Furthermore, even if your quarantine suggestion worked exactly as you imagine it would and it could make Angola's thousands of kilometers of borders and coastline magically impermeable so that not even one person could pass through carrying the virus, it would still result in the deaths of thousands, if not millions of people, but your plan's intended result has the dubious "advantage" that all the deaths would be in Angola. Since there are, in fact, over 13 million people living in Angola, your plan's intended result could still result in millions of infected people and millions of deaths. It is hard to see how this result could be desirable.

Someone who hated the whole human race and wanted the virus to prosper and mankind to die would have a reason to advocate this. But clearly Kate does value the lives of some people, hence the value of a quarantine to protect the lives of those whom she would prefer remain alive. Another viewpoint consistent with Kate's proposal is the view that the deaths of some large groups of people are desirable while the deaths of other groups are not. This could be motivated by, for example, racism against Africans or a bizarre hatred of Angolans in particular or any other strange collectivist hatred.

It is essentially a genocidal view to advocate or take actions intended to cause the death large numbers of people who are members of a particular nation or race. I do see that the article Kate linked to referred to attacks against foreign World Health Organization (WHO) personnel by some people in Uige in nothwestern Angola. Perhaps she thinks that those people in Uige are the ones who should suffer, but there is no "border" around them and only them. What she advocates is a genocidal scheme which, if it were possible to implement it, would likely result in suffering and death throughout Angola and not just among those who whose behavior may be objectionable. Notably, those same people Kate seems to have a problem with appear to have attacked WHO personnel because they feared they were infected with the Marburg Virus and were spreading it. The Angolans were enforcing a coercive quarantine of their own somewhat like the one Kate advocates. Ironic, no?

That is my answer to Kate's three-part question. Before I ask Kate a question of my own, let me explain why an attempt to "seal off the borders" would not stop the spread of the Marburg Virus.

The practice of quarantine can be effective, but medical quarantines generally involve separating infected patients from contact with any non-infected people except when careful precautions are taken to prevent spread of the disease. Having hospital rooms or a part of a hospital that is quarantined can be very effective. Having individual infected people, their homes and other buildings quarantined can be useful in stopping the spread of a disease. The word quarantine was invented to describe the practice of having ships arriving from plague-infested ports anchor in the harbor at Venice for forty days until it was clear whether or not the disease was onboard. In more recent times, it has meant the isolation of arriving ships, passengers and cargoes. In the recent SARS epidemic, it involved temporarily quarantining specific individuals known to have SARS and anyone who had recent contact with them. This is what quarantine actually refers to. There have been lots of doomsday scenarios, especially in fiction, where some biological weapon or other dread disease is wiping out the human race and entire countries are quarantined. This has never actually happened.

There is only one example I can find in all of history of an attempt to use troops patrolling an international border to prevent the spread of a plague. This was in 1656 when Rome (then an independent country) attempted to prevent anyone from entering Roman territory from Naples where the plague had recently killed 100,000 people. Note that the Romans did not attempt to surround Naples and prevent anyone from entering or leaving. That would be the sort of thing Kate advocates and it would be much harder to impose such a quarantine on an entire uncooperative foreign country. Instead, the Romans merely attempted to patrol their own border and keep the plague out of their own country. Despite the best efforts of the Roman army, the effort failed. The plague spread to Rome despite the troops at the border and 10,000 Romans died of the plague.

A town of even a few thousand people generally survives economically by means of commerce involving the shipment of goods and the travel of people to other places. This is even more true of a whole country. If trade is halted, people inside and outside of the quarantine will be bankrupted or even face starvation. For this reason alone, there are usually many people who will want to make exceptions to the quarantine or just break it. But an even more powerful reason is that people who are not sick often do not want to remain in close proximity to people who have contracted a deadly contagious disease, particularly one dangerous enough to have prompted a quarantine. Therefore, those who are not sick or who think they are not sick will have a good reason to believe their lives may depend on getting out of the quarantined area. It is very hard to stop large numbers of determined people from moving if they believe their lives depend on it. Even threatening to kill them is not much of a deterrent if they fear the disease will kill them if they stay. If there is any exodus of people out of a quarantined area, it is highly likely that at least one of the people leaving will be infected and the disease will be carried out of the quarantine.

One fundamental principle of human relations that seems to perpetually elude the advocates of coercion is that people respond to threats and violence with violence of their own. Do not imagine a quarantine as a crowd of helpless civilians trying to travel down a road that is blocked by a checkpoint with barbed wire and armed soldiers. No. Imagine the soldiers in the dark on a rainy night trying to patrol thousands of kilometers of wilderness while thousands of armed refugees attempt to sneak out or fight their way out.

Little children sometimes learn about world geography by putting together puzzles where each piece is a country. In this imaginary child's puzzle world, the lines on the puzzle map are not imaginary invisible lines across the landscape of the Earth. They are, instead, the places where discrete entities begin and end. You can pick up a puzzle piece of France and put it next to Spain if you wish or next to Angola and the place where the two touch is the border. The puzzle piece borders are not imaginary lines on the Earth, they are real edges of physical objects. The France puzzle piece is a separate physical object, usually a different color from the others that are supposed to be nearby. In this view, Angola is a thing, an object, a puzzle piece that is a unified whole, an object that is of the same color and consistency throughout and is a completely different object from any other puzzle piece. Real countries and real borders are something else entirely. That's obvious when we think about it, but some people still think of countries like puzzle pieces instead of what they really are.

Somewhere along the dusty roads between the villages with thatched roofs surrounded by thatched barriers to keep wild animals and intruders out, in the bushlands and plains of the Etosha Pan where the lions and hyenas hunt, there is an unmarked spot not noticeably different from any other. If you stood there with a GPS device, the longitude and latitude information from satellites in space would confirm that your location is approximately the same as the invisible border between the part of Ovamboland that is claimed as southern Angola and the much larger part that is part of Namibia. You cannot find any actual precise border because GPS and other navigation systems have a margin of error. There is no fence, no line on the ground, no guards or checkpoints at that spot, nothing like that. And there is certainly no seam there between tectonic plates or puzzle pieces.

In the dry bush country of Ovamboland in southern Africa, the people of the Ovambo tribe have lived there for a long time with their own ways and their own language. They very recently fought a long and gruesome guerrilla war to free themselves from occupation by the white racist soldiers of the South African Defense Force and rule by the government of the Republica of South Africa. Out in Ovamboland, there are small monuments to the "heroes" who fought for independence. Many of the Ovambo men still have AK-47 assault rifles and RPG-7 rocket launchers and have many years of combat experience in how to defeat a high-tech modern army. They are the veterans of SWAPO, the South West African Peoples Organization, which did, in fact defeat the South African Defense Force, a very sophisticated, high-tech, experienced and well trained modern army. One of the main things SWAPO got very good at over the years was smuggling arms, supplies and people from Angola into Namibia.

This is just part of the 5,198 kilometers of Angolan border that Kate proposes to "seal off". Imagine for a moment trying to really do that. The term "seal off" brings to mind sealing a ziploc bag or something. Or an airtight seal like on bulkhead doors between compartments on a seagoing ship. But there are no bulkhead doors between countries and no handy ziploc edges. There is nothing to "seal" between countries. What is really meant by "closing" or "sealing" an international border is to send men with guns to threaten or shoot people who are traveling from one place to another.

Kate neglected to mention the mechanics of her proposal. She didn't mention the men with guns at all, so she handily avoided informing us exactly who they would be. The Angolan army? Do not imagine for a second that they would be willing to even try to assist in Kate's plan to sacrifice their whole country. Even if they were willing, they are incapable of stopping all traffic across their borders. Who, then? The military forces of neighboring nations? They aren't capable of it. Their willingness is also doubtful.

Take Ovamboland for example yet again. Since most of the SWAPO guerrillas who fought for the independence of Namibia and a very large portion of the population of Namibia are members of the Ovambo tribe who live near the Angolan border, it should be no surprise if the majority of the soldiers of Namibia are members of the Ovambo tribe who come from the border region. The Marburg Virus outbreak is actually in the north of Angola, far from Ovamboland. If, somehow, the Namibian government could be convinced, bribed or bullied into ordering its army to patrol the border with Angola, can anyone seriously believe that they would not be willing to make exceptions to the quarantine for members of their own Ovambo tribe who live on the other side of the border and are in many cases their uncles, nieces and cousins? Would they turn them back at gunpoint to face suffering and death even though they almost certainly have not been exposed to the virus yet? Would they shoot their own people to stop them from coming to visit their cousins when the threat is yet distant? Would they shoot their own cousins to prevent them from saving their lives if the situation gets more dire? If you think they would, you don't understand tribalism in Africa.

I predict that if the Namibian government orders the border closed that there will be stretches of border many kilometers long, probably hundreds of kilometers long, with no guards and where there are guards, anyone not showing obvious symptoms will be able to bribe their way through. Relatives of the guards would be allowed through for free, no questions asked.

A similar situation exists with the other three nations that border Angola. So who will be the sealers who will "seal off" the borders of Angola in Kate's fantasy? She's blithely talking about 5,198 kilometers of land borders through some tremendously remote and inhospitable terrain. In addition, Angola has 1,600 kilometers of coastline on the Atlantic Ocean. Kate is apparently from Canada. So who is the "we" who she thinks can "seal off" the Angolan border. Does she mean the Canadian military?

Canada only has 19,300 regular army soldiers. Militia and Canadian Rangers comprise another 17,500 troops. So that's 36,800 soldiers, total. Angola, by the way, has about 100,000 regular army troops plus another 15,000 paramilitary police. So if Canada actually sent every single soldier it has and left none to defend Canada, the Canadians would be outnumbered three to one. As if that's not bad enough, very few of the Canadian troops have any combat experience and they would be operating in a foreign country with supply lines thousands of miles long while the Angolan military consists primarily of men with years of recent combat experience and they would be operating on terrain they know very well.

Does she think the Canadian army is so much better than the Angolans that the war would be short? Don't count on it. The only sort of war the Angolans know how to fight is guerrilla war, the sort that is giving the United States so much trouble in Iraq today. Angola has only had peace for three years out of the past three decades. The other twenty seven years were non-stop war. There are veterans of at least six different guerrilla armies in Angola, the MPLA, the FNLA, UNITA, FLEC, FDC and SWAPO. The Angolan army today is basically the MPLA renamed. They have an arsenal of Soviet made weapons and they have defeated two modern, European style armies, the Portuguese army and the South African army.

How many troops would be needed to even begin to stop people and the Angolan soldiers and guerrillas from crossing the imaginary borderline? And where would you put them? Would the troops be on the Angolan side of the border? That's an invasion, not a quarantine. Deploying foreign troops to Angola against the wishes of the Angolans would mean war with Angola. Deploying foreign troops on the other side of the borders to stop all Angolan travel and trade would still mean war with Angola and probably with some or all of the four neighboring countries as well. The number of troops that would be needed to make a serious attempt to close Angola's borders would be large enough that any of Angola's neighbors which permitted such a deployment would basically be giving up their sovereignty to foreign occupation.

Whether foreign troops were deployed to Angola or its neighbors, the Angolans would be unlikely to cooperate in such a scheme and would be more than a match for Canada. There is really only one country on Earth that has enough military forces to seriously consider such a move, considering the vast distances that separate Angola from most of the world's major armies. That one country is, of course, the United States. The U.S. presently has the largest military and also has invested hundreds of billions of dollars in building up the capability to deploy their military forces anywhere on Earth. That sounds good in theory until one gives the notion the briefest consideration and recalls that the U.S. has over 150,000 troops deployed in Iraq and is considering increasing the size of the U.S. army because there aren't enough soldiers to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan and maintain all the other bases and "commitments" the U.S. has already. The U.S. has already decided to withdraw tens of thousands of troops from Korea and Germany and to "reorganize" its forces so it will have more infantry available for occupation duty. They have forbidden thousands of soldiers to leave the military even when their term is up. They have increased re-enlistment bonuses and launched new recruiting drives and STILL they don't have enough troops to even maintain their presence in Iraq without severe strains. The U.S. estimates the guerrilla force in Iraq at 20,000, most of whom had no experience at all in guerrilla warfare until the war broke out. How many troops do you suppose the U.S. can spare right now to fight over 100,000 more experienced guerrillas in Angola? My guess is none, and certainly not enough, even if they wanted to.

How many soldiers, how many ships, how many aircraft would you need to have to try to make sure that not even one infected person left Angola? After all, if even one gets out, you might as well not bother with the quarantine in the first place.

Fishing boats from Angola routinely go out to sea. Near borders, fishing boats from Namibia and the Congo are fishing in the same areas. They could easily transfer cargoes or people in exchange for money. When Namibian and Congolese fishing boats return to their ports, anyone who got onboard from an Angolan fishing boat would have escaped the quarantine. Would you want navy ships to stop all fishing boats from putting to sea in all of Angola? Try to prevent Angolan fishing boats from getting near any other boats? Note please that one of the busiest international shipping routes in the world runs directly along Angola's 1,600 kilometer coast as ships from all over the world go to and from the passage around the Cape of Good Hope at the southern tip of Africa. If those ships continue to pass that way, there is the possibility of ships or boats from Angola coming out to meet them, and people from Angola boarding them covertly or for money. Angolans who live abroad outside the proposed quarantine might bring ships to that coast for the express purpose of evacuating their friends and relatives. Would you try to stop all traffic on one of the world's busiest shipping lanes? Delay it while every ship is searched? How well can you search thousands of large ships to be absolutely sure that none of the crew are really Angolans, that nobody is hiding anywhere on the ship, not even in a cargo crate in the hold?

The Canadian Maritime Command (Navy) only has 18 warships, including both submarines. I don't think they are up to the job even if, in a fit of mental incapacity, the Prime Minister of Canada sent them to do what Kate proposes.

There is also 1.2 million square kilometers of land area in Angola where any number of aircraft could take off and land on existing runways, improvised dirt landing strips or even roads. Helicopters can land and take off from any small patch of ground and need no runways at all. Flying at low altitude to avoid radar, aircraft would have their choice of spots to leave Angola anywhere along its 6,798 kilometers of land and sea boundaries. Carrying supplies in for desperate people or smuggling desperate people out would be more profitable the more effectively Angola was "sealed off" from the rest of the world. The Marburg Virus is not transmitted by air, but only by bodily fluids. So long as passengers were transported in a separate compartment from the crew and the passenger area was thoroughly cleaned, there would be no risk that the aircraft crew would catch the disease even if they were carrying passengers they knew were infected.

If you do not have the ability to detect and intercept ALL aircraft entering or leaving Angola, even those that fly below normal radar, at night in bad weather when visual observation is impossible, then the whole quarantine is worse than useless.

Then there is the Cabinda Enclave. This place is considered territory of Angola, but it doesn't border the rest of Angola. It does, however, border two other countries, both named Congo (formerly the French Congo and the Belgian Congo, more recently the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo). The Cabinda Enclave has its own coastline, significant oil wells and gold mines and not one but two of its own guerilla movements (FLEC and the FDC). With an armed guerrilla organization (FLEC) in control of the gold mines at last report, they are extremely likely to use force to get gold shipments across the border to continue to finance their operations. That risks contamination of other countries, but why should FLEC care about that if they were consigned to death by a quarantine?

Then there are the offshore oil platforms owned by Chevron and ELF. Shut them down? Risk refugees showing up by boat and infecting the oil crew? What about oil platforms that are in the territorial waters of nearby countries? They are close enough to Angola or the Cabinda Enclave that refugees in small boats could reach them, but they aren't even Angolan territory. After the oil company lobbyists finish talking to their governments (such as France and the United States) will you still be able to shut them down?

Where does Kate think the troops, ships and aircraft would come from? Perhaps Kate is counting on a multinational coalition. We can imagine, for the sake of argument, that the leader of one country might be demented enough to share Kate's view and even a whole country blindly following such a leader, but an international coalition of nations all led by genocidal racist idiots is not even credible enough to be worth a hypothetical scenario. It's not going to happen. The nations of the world will send doctors, money and assistance. They're already doing that. They may quarantine travelers arriving in their countries from Angola and wherever else the Marburg Virus strikes, but they aren't going to do what Kate is talking about.

In fact, not even one nation is going to attempt what she is talking about. Kate herself probably wouldn't even be willing to go along for the ride on a mission as long, difficult and dangerous as she advocates for unspecified gigantic armies, navies and air forces to undertake.

Or perhaps it wasn't Angola's borders she wanted to "seal off". Could it be she meant all of Africa? In that case, multiply the size of the problem, the number of troops needed, the number of guerrillas opposing it and the other difficulties by a factor of at least twenty.

Did she, by chance, mean only that Canada should "seal off" its borders and leave the whole rest of the world to be ravaged by the Marburg Virus? I think I made it clear that Canada's 36,800 army troops (including militia and rangers) are not enough to "seal off" the 5,198 kilometers of Angola's land borders. It should be fairly obvious that those same 36,800 soldiers are not capable of "sealing off" Canada's much longer 8,895 kilometers of land borders, either.

Does anyone care to imagine the consequences for Canada if all trade with the United States were cut off abruptly? Not just a steel tariff, not just a softwood lumber tariff, but a complete and total cutoff of all trade. That's what it means to "seal off" a border as Kate recommends (though who's border she wanted sealed is unclear). If you're going to let cargo through, you might as well not have a quarantine. We've all been told for years that you can't catch HIV, the "AIDS virus" from saliva or sweat. Now, we're talking about a different virus. The same doctors who tell us that you can't catch HIV from sweat are saying that one of the main ways that people are catching the Marburg Virus is from touching people who already have it. Just touching someone is enough. It CAN be transmitted by sweat and saliva. Sweat from the arms of the guy who loaded a box onto a truck can infect the guy in Canada who offloads the box. You can't count on stopping the Marburg Virus from crossing Canada's land borders without stopping all commerce across those borders. Of course, if that really happened and people didn't break the law and the quarantine out of sheer economic desperation, then Canada would have an economic catastrophe worse than the great depression. If Kate meant Canada's borders would be sealed, that's what inevitably would follow if Canada were capable of actually doing it.

On the other hand, Kate is one of those strange Canadian conservatives who at times speaks of "we" and somehow means the United States. And of course, if the United States decided to "seal off" its borders... there's only two. The Mexican border and the Canadian border. If the Americans attempted to "seal off" their borders, that would also cut off trade between the U.S. and Canada and result in the economic catastrophe for Canada that I was just talking about. The only difference is that the U.S. has more ability to actually do it.

Now that I have answered all three parts of Kate's ridiculous question and taken a look at why it is ludicrous to consider trying to "seal off" long international borders as a solution to the Marburg Virus outbreak, I will ask her a question of my own.

Kate asked:

Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?

I could ask who Kate imagines is not allowing her to stop feeling sympathy.

I could ask whether she ever actually felt any sympathy for dying Africans.

I could ask if she has ever even heard of Angola before.

Instead I will ask something more relevant to Canadian politics. This is my two-part question:

Kate, who in the Conservative Party of Canada thinks you are cool and who at the Western Standard wants you to be one of their writers?

Wait, I have been asked by a representative of the Liberal Party of Canada to ask you one more thing: will you please run for parliament as a Conservative?

Kate McMillan Promotes The MinuteMan Project!

2005-01-27T15:09:00.000-08:00

This is an organization which according to the Southern Poverty Law Foundation was heavily infiltrated with white supremacists and neo-nazis. And our friend Kate McMillan, an inspiring friend of Monte Solberg promotes this group, and talks about how "she knows people who would pay for a vacation" of hanging out at the border and harrassing mexican workers trying to enter the US illegally to pick fruit, and clean bathrooms, act as nannies and generally perform work below minimum wage. Yes... what terrible terrible people. So much for:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

None of that for Kate McMillan.

Malicious Intent In Libel

2005-01-03T10:51:00.000-08:00

Here we have Kate explaining her motivation for posting the GreyOwl and Iraqi Torture Photoshop "Funny"... In case nobody bothered to tell Kate this... in a libel case, one must prove a number of things.... on such thing being "the intent to cause harm" by the libel.

It would seem Kate didn't understand enough about Libel Law in Canada to know this before posting her self-congratulatory message to herself. Silly woman.

Kate makes an unfounded accusation...

2004-12-31T23:40:00.000-08:00

Against somebody which implies some sort of impropriety between them and their child... She removed the comment in question, after several complaints were made to her internet service provider... but the hardcopy was saved, and the matter was reported to the Delisle Saskatchewan RCMP, as one of Criminal Defamatory Libel.

Contact Somena Media if you would like a hardcopy fax of the page sent to you.

The context of the remark is interesting as well...

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What had happened was that the discussion sparked over at the Shotgun had occured....

I posted the following remarks

Kate said:

"That was a short dinner."

I said:

Yes it was.

Sonny's BBQ here in Ocala isn't exactly fine dining. But it's amazingly good. My husband and I had a lovely time. After he is done catching up on some work for our business we are going to cuddle up in bed with my son, eat popcorn and watch Monty Python.

Have fun with your uh.... keyboard and the dogs Ms.Police-State-Kate.

Posted by: MWW | 31-Dec-04 8:37:04 PM

A few hours later, as I was still waiting for my husband to finish up some year end accounting for the company, Kate made the remark above...(Highlighted in Red In The Image Above)

"Hey What Are You Still Doing Here? What happened to the so called "life" you've been prattling on about all evening? Weren't you supposed to be in bed with your son by now?
*Ewwwww*

And that's what prompted me to report Kate McMillan to the RCMP for Criminal Defamatory Libel. It seemed clear to me, and to my husband that Kate McMillan was attempting to, give the impression that by my being in bed with my son, I was doing something wrong.

This is despite the fact that it was clear, earlier in the evening, in remarks that Kate had clearly read, since she remarked about the fact that I had been "prattling on" about my "so called life" - that I had said my husband, my son, and myself, were going to cuddle in bed, eat popcorn, and watch a movie, as our New Years Eve celebration.

When I faxed the entire set of pages concerning these remarks to Constable Parenteux, of the Delisle Saskatchewan RCMP detachment, he was actually most offended by the GreyOwl picture. He is Metis, and he found it to be extremely inciteful.

I had emailed some friends of mine in Aboriginal circles about the incident, and I understand that further complaints were made to the RCMP about this "hate-speech" violation. However, my understanding is, that at the time, the Crown decided that this one incident did not in and of itself indicate, in and of itself hate-speech. I was however urged to send further examples of hate-speech by Ms.McMillan, should they occur, by the Crown Prosecutor viz Const Parenteux.

Which thus far, I have declined to do.

I have however, archived ever single instance where Kate has made false allegations against me, especially criminal allegations. And, I have further documented where she has incited harrassment against other individuals here and here of Belinda Stronach, and more recently this incident.

This woman is, in my humble opinion a restraining order, waiting to happen.
Perhaps this is why there is or never has been a Mr.McMillan.

Lock Up The Indians... and their kids!

2004-12-31T16:28:00.000-08:00

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She really said this - On SMALL DEAD ANIMALS

2004-12-04T03:14:00.000-08:00

Kate McMillan Is Caught Altering The Comments Section of the Shotgun To Make It Appear As If People Agree With Her

2004-05-21T22:56:00.000-07:00

My First Query About An Altered Post:

From: Meaghan Champion-Williams
To: Kevin Steel
Cc: info@westernstandard.ca
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Comments re: Moments ago on The Shotgun.

Hi Kevin,
I noted that the last time one of my posts was changed, I got a nice note from you - explaining the moderation - as well as a note saying you would not edit the content of somebodys post. That's why I am sure that what happened with my posts yesterday was not done by you and why I found it particularly disturbing. I had no problem with your editing of my calling Svend a "fruit". Fair enough... I've been careful with my colorful metaphors since then. And when you did - you notified me that it had occurred. That's why this posts "moderation" struck me as bizarre.
I've just emailed Ezra the following. Can you figure out how this happened?

-------------------------
Ezra
I was in the middle of a discussion
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2004/05/zayed_.html#c12 60127
Thats the link the thread in question.

Somebody hacked into my post - re-wrote it, and attributed it to me - and then after I questioned it - attributed EVEN the editing of it to me. This is pretty dishonest, as well as juvenile. All well and good if you want to ask me to refrain from posting - OR even if you ask me to leave. I will do so in a heartbeat - No problemo. No questions asked. I'll go elsewhere. BUT - the action of re-writing (whomever it was that did it) what I said - and then falsely attributing words I did not say - as well as attributing the editing of the post to me is perverse and extremely dishonest. It's Orwellian. What's up with dat? Who did it? I can't believe you would.
The last time one of my posts was edited I got an email from Kevin about it. There was no email this time. This is just downright CREEPY Ezra. Can you see what's going on? Thanks luv
Meaghan

Kevin Steel Responds:

From: "Kevin Steel"
To:
Subject: Re: Comments re: Moments ago on The Shotgun.
Date sent: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:20:34 -0600

Meaghan;

I don't know what happened. I didn't edit it.
If you could, please send through to me the content of your original comment and the one that was altered. I'm just heading off to bed, but I'll forward this to our webmaster and try to find out what gives in the morning.
K evin Steel

From: Meaghan Champion-Williams
To: Kevin Steel
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: Comments re: Moments ago on The Shotgun.

Kevin,
I wrote the comments over 24 hours ago... But basically it was a re-iteration of my disdain for
her dodge on the 'Zayed and people like him don't need to come to Canada to pursue their freedoms" in response to my comments about how I personally would welcome Mr.Zayed
to Canada's multi-cultural landscape - especially if he is persecuted for daring to criticize Islam.
I believe the beginning of the text of my article was "I read the black parts of what you write Kate, not the white". And I think I ended by commenting that when she was prepared to
discuss things without resorting to snippy insults, bromides and rumsfeldian talking-points - I would be very pleased. I don't have the full text of what I wrote - but that's the jist of it. It's quite a lot different from the spoofed "apology" and acquiescence. Hope that helps.
Thanks for looking into it Kevin.
Best Regards
Meaghan

From: "Kevin Steel"
To:
Subject: Re: Comments re: Moments ago on The Shotgun.
Date sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:53 -0600
Copies to: "Ezra Levant"

Meaghan;
We've looked into the situation and our Webmaster sent us the following comments based on what he's found so far: I doubt the master password has been hacked, else I'm sure much more damage would have been done (unless there's more evidence for that, I would rule it out). Also, the chance of the code being hacked is very, very remote. All the comments attributed to her were posted from her computer. Note that people can fake who writes a comment - just use someone else's name and email address. However, it's very difficult to fake their IP address (their computer's unique Internet connection number). All her comments to that post were made from 68.59.135.117 The second paragraph should cause you some concern and just to be on the safe side I would recommend that you update your anti-virus/trojan software and do a thorough scan of your computer if you haven't already done so. And then perhaps scan it with spyware of some kind. A good example of the latter is Spybot; if you don't already have, here it is: http://www.safer-networking.org/ Thanks for letting us know about this. You can bet we're keeping an eye out for any further evidence of these incidents, will adjust our security accordingly, and continue to maintain a complete record.
Kevin Steel

The Comment Alteration Occurs AGAIN as we are in the middle of trying to Figure Out What Is Happening...

From: Meaghan Champion-Williams
To: kevin Steel
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: screen capture

Here is a screen capture I just made of the Western Standard Blog
as I viewed it a few minutes ago on the Zayed thread.
Is this what you are seeing to?

From: "Kevin Steel"
To:
Subject: Re: screen capture
Date sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:04:43 -0600

That's what I'm seeing.

KS

From: Meaghan Champion-Williams
To: Kevin Steel
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: screen capture

Hi Kevin,

My husband is on the phone with Comcast - our Service provider and I wonder if it would be possible to get a log of all the activity that they say is being posted from our computer? They would like to compare it with their logs to determine what's happening and if the security breach is at their end. Thanks

Meaghan

From: "Kevin Steel"
To:
Subject: Re: screen capture
Date sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:16:20 -0600

Meaghan;

I'm sorry but I had to delete your comment because I had just stated in a comment below that I would be ending the thread. The content appeared to be something you can address in an email to the people you refer to .
Kevin Steel

Kevin has discovered at this point that Kate McMillan is the culprit. He decides that what she has done is just fine, and that there is no problem with her running around essentially spoofing people's comments.

From: Meaghan Champion-Williams
To: kevin Steel
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Fair Enough

Kevin,

The article you have just had to remove - No problem there....I was in the middle of a phonecall when posting and responding - and so some time had elapsed between my starting a post - and sending it. Consequently - I had not refreshed and didn't see your request to not post further...

I appreciate your attempt to be fair and reasoned in resolving this matter. On the other hand - I am amazed that what happened is going to stand as is.

When you edited my comments - you notified me - informed me of the policy and it was very clear to me that such change had been made. There was no cause for concern or alarm, and I appreciated getting feedback on the constraints you hope Shotgunners exercise when posting.

What Kate did was entirely different. She wiped out entire posts - AND she absolutley changed the content to alter what I had said - and it appeared as if I had said something that I did not say.

That is just perverse. What I said - the content - had ABSOLUTLEY nothing to do with what she attributed to me. It wasn't a case of removing a nasty word - or snipping something distasteful out.... It was dishonest - in content and methodology.

Can I suggest - that for future bloggers sake, that you put a disclaimer of sorts up - in a very visible part of the Blog - so that people are aware that actions like that can and may be taken at the discretion of the "invited" blogger mods.

I've emailed this situation around to a bunch of bloggers that I know to ask if this is a standard practice - this editing of content.... Not a single one of them had seen such a thing before and certainly not as it was done by Kate.

Perhaps I just hearken back to the old days of Usenet - where spoofing like that was considered to be net-abuse and was actually considered grounds for termination of ISP services if you could prove somebody had done it.

The reason is thus... allowing the altering of people's posts - missattributing what they say - for whatever reason - does not bode well for the free-exchange of information.

Part of the Beauty of the Internet Discussion is that when you having a discussion with somebody - there is witnessed log of events and who said what to whom. You can pull up records of old discussions to verify people's credibility - or check their arguments
out further. Things can't dissapear "down the memory hole" - Believe me - I don't have any problem with what happened under the grounds of "Censorship" or anything like that.... I know who owns the Blog - and I respect that 100%. I understand what Censorship is - and why this action is not that.

However - I do have to caution you, that if what Kate did is deemed "acceptable" - and is sanctioned by the owners.. then I am having a hard time coming up with a reason to keep contributing.

I've written for the National Post, the Vancouver Province, the Winnipeg Free Press, the Cowichan Valley Citizen and a few others. I've also had extensive media experience with CKNW, CBC, TalkTV and various local news. I spent 6 years working with Media.
With this event - and it's result - I have to say, out of the dozens of journalists I have worked with, and editors... I have NEVER had any problem with being falsely misrepresented - except by the National Post, and now here.

I basically lost all hope of continuing to impact Aboriginal Policy in any way - after the National Post did to me, what Kate just did - IN their National Editorial - no less... I'm telling you, as somebody who has worked as a journalist.. its fucking scary when you wake up one day - and something you said is not just misquoted... not just a little altered or spinned... not just reported in a biased way... BUT outright fabricated.

I can not convey to you how horrified I was when that occurred... and how I distinctly got flashbacks to it - from what Kate just did. I had a complete collapse last summer resultingly - from what occurred - and because I was sued by my Band Government for writing about the corruption on our reserves in the local newspaper - the Cowichan Valley Citizen.Essentially - CanWests lawyers defending me - cut a deal with my band - so that so long as I don't write anymore - they won't pursue their lawsuit against the Band. This was after Canwest assured me that they would fight the thing tooth and nail to protect "freedom of speech".

I'm sorry, perhaps others would not have reacted so badly to events such as occurred on the Shot-Gun in the last few days. I'm perhaps still in shock and recovering from being nationally misrepresented by what I used to think of as Canada's BEST newspaper.

Meaghan

From: "Kevin Steel"
To:
Subject: Re: Fair Enough
Date sent: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:42:59 -0600

Meaghan;

I agree with your point about putting up the advisory. I will be Calgary all next month in the office working on the website and the blog and dealing with issues like this. It may not happen overnight.

As for letting the thread stand "as is" I only want to leave it up as I said so people who had tuned in earlier can see what went on; and of course this includes your comments noting the misattribution. I may take it all down after I draft and send out some more guidelines to our Authors about how they should and should not treat contrary opinions. But then, I feel fairly certain that Kate--and others--will get the message from simply reading my post. To be fair to her, she hasn't done this before and I can only assume it happened here because the exchange was getting very heated and both were getting kinda personal.

Sorry to hear about your trouble with the Post. Now that you are safely tucked in the US, have you started your own Web site to hurl missive missiles across the border?

Kevin Steel

(NB and Caveat Lector for Readers of SDA and The Shotgun - There still is still at this time NO Notice or Disclaimer at the Shotgun Website that Moderators like Kate can and may completetely alter and attribute even falsely statements to anybody who participates) - This is despite the fact that Kevin agreed that something like that should be put up as an advisory warning.

The Day Kate Vowed To Never Listen To CBC Again... Sept 11, 2002

2002-09-11T20:48:00.000-07:00

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Really she did... it's all right there on her motorcycle diaries.

Kate Admits That She Can't Get Laid

2000-08-28T21:06:00.000-07:00

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Yes, those are her actual words.

Kate Talks About Sex With Two Or More Consenting Partners And Rd350

2000-08-24T20:59:00.000-07:00

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Yep, She really does. Strange thing isn't it?